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    Default So what now?

    Do we take a break and re-energize? Is the league done?


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    A few things need to happen for us to continue.

    1. Everyone needs to update to v19.
    2. The league needs to be converted to Slack and StatsPlus.

    The league is just too hard to administer as is. Steve gave doc and me a little insight a few months ago and there is no way it is sustainable as currently constructed.

    I would like to maintain the history of the league, so it doesn't make sense to blow this up and start over (if we are to continue).
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    V19 doesn't go on sale for another 5 weeks or so. We can either wait and suffer any attrition that generates, or plow ahead with those that have or will update at full price.

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    Buddy mentioned using Simple Machines free forum software instead of paying for an expensive site. He said he or Sam could probably help set it up.
    That in combination with switching over to slack and stats+ may make this thing more sustainable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    V19 doesn't go on sale for another 5 weeks or so. We can either wait and suffer any attrition that generates, or plow ahead with those that have or will update at full price.
    I bought when it came out, so either way works for me. But it might be best to wait - 5 weeks isn't really that long. I'm in if we keep going.
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    I think we should use the time until v19 goes on sale to get our house in order, make any conversions/transitions that need to be done, and make sure we have a solid core of owners for the next stage of the league. Making sure that whatever we end up with is sustainable and not a management nightmare, has to be the top priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc P View Post
    Buddy mentioned using Simple Machines free forum software instead of paying for an expensive site. He said he or Sam could probably help set it up.
    That in combination with switching over to slack and stats+ may make this thing more sustainable.
    Most cheaper hosts -- $10-12 bucks a month -- are fine for an OOTP league. They have some free forum software which is not as nice as VB Bulletin but is free and generally works great. I like Simple Machines which has been around a while and has a couple decent expansion mods to make a home page easy to modify.

    Stats+ is -- I think -- $60 bucks a year for no hosting. You can host through Stats+ although I don't know if they have forum software to install and are instead super-duper-slack based. I don't like putting all my eggs in one basket and I hate relying upon Slack as the only form of league communication. But I am old and set in my ways. Personally I miss AIM.

    So costs would be under $200/year.

    It's all the kooky custom stuff that 1- makes FOBL unique and 2 - makes FOBL a pain to run. If that gets cut way back it becomes more manageable to Commish.

    And it gives you more shit to bitch about as you are more subject to the mercy of Marcus and that wonderful German fucking logic

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    Stats+ hosting includes a forum and the HTML reports and a WordPress install.

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    I can wait 5 weeks as Travel Baseball keeps me busy during the next couple months. So I am on board with the simplification although let's not dismiss another option....Shaw tells his fiancé sorry babe you are ruining our fake baseball league as we know it and I must return to the life sucking sims and Cuervo finds his way back to a job that allows for him to sim.
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    As Shaw and Subby have said, I think THIS is probably what we need if we're going to keep this thing going.


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    Yep. I'll hook you up with Dave on the Stats+ slack whenever you're ready.

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    I'm on board with what others have said. No problem waiting 5 weeks (if anything it might rebuild some enthusiasm), and I also would prefer a forum option separate from Slack (though that's not as important as a lounge; need me a lounge). But I'm not doing the heavy lifting here, so whatever works best.


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    I'm good with waiting 5 weeks.

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    I'm cool with waiting 5 weeks. I already own OOTP19.

    But I'm also cool with being replaced by a more enthusiastic owner...as long as there's still something like a forum of some sort where I can still bug you guys with random shit.
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    I'm cool with whatever gets me out of paying a LiquidWeb bill for too much longer.

    Ben said he's going to work on porting IHOF over to his set up later this month. I can start making an archival plan of some sort for the existing site and forum. But if we can't be elsewhere by the end of June, I'd like to put a firm July 31st deadline on it, as it's getting harder and harder to carry the monthly cost.
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    Steam Sale is underway, OOTP19 has a 50% discount
    Las Vegas Sucks!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simms View Post
    I'm cool with whatever gets me out of paying a LiquidWeb bill for too much longer.

    Ben said he's going to work on porting IHOF over to his set up later this month. I can start making an archival plan of some sort for the existing site and forum. But if we can't be elsewhere by the end of June, I'd like to put a firm July 31st deadline on it, as it's getting harder and harder to carry the monthly cost.
    I was in contact with the stats plus guy. He says we can run the whole league including forums through stats plus. I'm guessing if we're going to be able to move some of our old stuff over there, some of you more tech savvy guys might need to help with the initial setup.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan S View Post
    Steam Sale is underway, OOTP19 has a 50% discount
    Thanks for the heads up. Purchased.
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    By “run the whole league” we’re talking just reporting, right? Biggest pain in the ass for me was generating the html. Now, if either the html is replaced by stats+ or he has a mechanism for generating it on his end... (Actually, that’s something he should look into. We upload file, he kicks off csv/html generation. Wonder how hard it might be to write/lobby for a tool to do that which is not reliant on the game interface — something command line which could be run by cron).


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    With stats+ you don't need to SSH and unpack. Just upload the file and HTML through the commissioner portal

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    Heh, the ssh part wasn't THAT onerous for me (considering I ssh as a regular part of my job). Waiting for the HTML to generate, that was more of a PITA.


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    Me neither, but it's a hurdle for the people who want to take over running things.

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    Good point.


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    been chatting with dave at stats+ regarding moving things over.

    he's going to try to walk me through the set-up. which is basically the equivalent of me walking cuervo through bunion surgery.
    so i'll let you know how it goes.
    i'll be away for a week starting tuesday, so probably won't get much done before then.

    i did pay for the next 3 months though, so we have some time to get things straight.


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