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    Hello again. Back for another round of countdowns and historical rambling, this time from the pitching side of the field.

    I'm using Pitching VORP as the main statistic in the modern era (2026-present). Same rules as the hitters: I rank the Top 100, finishing first gets you 100 points, second gets you 99 points, etc. All the way down to 1 point for finishing in 100th place. I added all the points and ranked them. Ties went to the pitcher with the lower lifetime ERA.

    The early era was much more difficult to do, at least at first. There wasn't a good statistic that determined the overall rankings. Statslab didn't have VORP pre-2026. They did have pitching WAR, but after dissecting it, I've come to the conclusion that it sucked. Weird measurements were taken and guys with 5 ERA's were finishing higher than players that were in the Platinum Pitcher running. I couldn't in good conscience use it. So I scoured around trying to find SOMETHING that will work. And I found it...

    in the old Fake Baseball Reference archives.

    Remember those things? There's a stat called PWS or Pitching Win Shares that looks like it makes good sense. It gives more value to starters than relievers, although relievers were well represented. Super Closers are ranked well. The only issue with PWS is that there is no overall summary per season, only by team per season. Soooooo.... I'm cutting and pasting the pitching stats of all 36 teams (there were 36 back then) into one spreadsheet for every seasons, sorting and adding up the duplicates (lots of good pitchers traded in mid-season and the PWS summary only has the individual team), then sorting again to the Top 100, then plugging into the above formula. Do that 25 times and I'm done.



    I have learned in doing the two different statistical measurements that closers benefitted a lot more in the Pitching Win Shares category than they did in the VORP category. Daniel Savino and Christian Gonzales were hurt by this; a true bummer since they were the best of their time in my opinion.

    One other thing I did. Because pitching dominance really has focused on a small handful of players, unlike hitting dominance, I awarded an extra 20 bonus points for each player that wins VORP or PWS in a given season. That seems to give more balance to dominating pitchers over a shorter period of time, boosting their overall ranking. Call it the Sandy Koufax coefficient. 3 players benefitted highly from this bonus.

    To this point the players you think are at the top are at the top. But in what order?

    Let's start with the Honorable Mentions, shall we?


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    451 Carlos Martinez 200 4.52
    452 Philip Blake* 198 3.70
    453 Raul Valentin 198 4.06
    454 Bill Carner 198 4.08
    455 Nick Jones 197 4.14
    456 Elijah Olson 197 4.23
    457 Brice Vandyke 197 4.45
    458 Duane Huntswell* 197 4.57
    459 Billy Thornton 196 3.49
    460 Jason Lindsey 196 3.81
    461 Ed Brown 195 5.31
    462 Manny Rodriguez* 193 3.31
    463 Randy George 193 4.40
    464 Rickey Jimison 192 3.89
    465 Pete Michaels* 192 4.48
    466 Stu Curtis* 191 3.74
    467 Serafin Pacheco 190 4.50
    468 Emmett Parry 190 4.68
    469 Patrick Crumbley 189 3.80
    470 Pat Schmidt* 189 4.18
    471 Ezekiel Drake* 189 4.68
    472 Dennis Aragon 188 3.49
    473 Jamie Fleming* 188 4.02
    474 Florentino Diaz 188 4.39
    475 Jorge Morin 188 4.73
    476 Armando Nava 188 4.81
    477 Lonnie Osborne* 187 3.80
    478 Joseph Ridgway 187 4.33
    479 Ken O'sullivan 187 4.56
    480 Jerome Amaker 186 4.31
    481 Shawn Ramsey* 184 3.50
    482 Ernie Lyons* 183 3.35
    483 Timothy Graziano 183 3.35
    484 Gerald Ringler 182 2.72
    485 Juan Barnes 182 3.28
    486 Jesus Gonzalez 182 3.35
    487 Ryan Mansour 182 3.77
    488 Ricky Cadena 182 4.33
    489 Manuel Quezada 180 3.32
    490 Elijah Clark 180 4.51
    491 Manny Walters 179 2.84
    492 Milt Gahagan* 179 3.47
    493 Kevin Solem 179 3.55
    494 Tim Dedeaux 179 4.04
    495 Larry Peppers 179 4.42
    496 Jamie Straub* 178 3.07
    497 Michael Higgins 177 3.25
    498 Chad DeCarlo 177 3.79
    499 Martin Gainey 175 3.39
    500 Barry Chunn 174 3.11

    Notables in the 500-451 range include Gerald Ringler, Larry Peppers (part of the Peter Piper Trio), Tim Dedeaux, Stu Curtis, and Billy 'Bob' Thornton.


    'Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall down a manhole and die." - Mel Brooks

    "Prophet Harold Camping who predicted the end of the world has died. That's kinda sad but its not the end of the world" -
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    401 Doug Camero* 226 4.62
    402 Ivan Gusman* 225 4.49
    403 Octavio Epp 225 4.96
    404 Walter Riley 223 3.43
    405 David Johnson 222 4.16
    406 Stanley Carpenter 222 4.36
    407 Pat McCann 222 4.50
    408 Jacinto Canada 222 5.12
    409 Justin Nero 221 3.95
    410 Dante Bowyer 221 4.31
    411 Artie Hill* 221 4.59
    412 Luis Miguel Rojas* 220 2.70
    413 Jamar Lopez 219 3.89
    414 Ernesto Bustamante 219 3.91
    415 Robert Lemus 219 4.92
    416 Del Cox 219 4.94
    417 Ruben Montano 218 4.24
    418 Ivan Arellano 218 4.35
    419 Al Bane 217 3.57
    420 Joseph Riley 217 4.04
    421 Jonathan Martinez 217 4.50
    422 Manny Munoz 216 4.57
    423 Barry Meyer 215 4.33
    424 Henry Cowart 214 3.55
    425 John Blair 214 3.59
    426 Oscar Tejeda 214 4.21
    427 Paul Crum 214 4.64
    428 Jeffrey Zoll 214 5.00
    429 Cade Hardin 213 4.83
    430 Michael Stthomas 211 4.31
    431 Charles Dunn 211 4.40
    432 Aurelio Castellanos 211 5.00
    433 Ty Clark* 210 4.74
    434 William Goins 209 3.00
    435 Dan Raynor Jr. 209 4.44
    436 Christopher Berthold 208 3.54
    437 Chad Roach 208 4.01
    438 Keith Vasser 208 4.27
    439 Ray Reynolds 208 4.77
    440 Ivan Soto* 207 3.09
    441 David Rucks 206 3.80
    442 Franklin Rives 205 3.93
    443 Arturo Vannatta 205 4.19
    444 Doug Davidson 205 4.26
    445 Albert Blevins 205 4.59
    446 Albert Alvarez 203 3.54
    447 John Kirkley 202 5.01
    448 Zach Thomason* 201 2.87
    449 Elmo Gibbons 201 3.91
    450 Vic Sullivan* 201 4.03

    Weird that the only active player in this group that scored points in this most recent 2056 season is Ivan Soto. There are some colorful names in this list from the past, however. Elmo Gibbons (Bilbo Baggins 3rd cousin twice removed)! Aurelio Castellanos! Dan Raynor Jr. (one of the first Jr's in the game)! Walter Riley and Octavio Epp from the old days are representing as well.


    'Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall down a manhole and die." - Mel Brooks

    "Prophet Harold Camping who predicted the end of the world has died. That's kinda sad but its not the end of the world" -
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    Wow, ty clark an ivan gusman surprised me,id take zack thomason over both them turds anyday

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    351 Gus Gill 264 4.36
    352 Bradly Magruder 264 4.88
    353 Don Stark* 263 3.99
    354 Lynwood Knapp* 263 4.15
    355 Cesar Artiaga 262 4.43
    356 James Wright 259 4.33
    357 Ismael Rodriguez* 258 2.64
    358 Frankie Monks 258 3.88
    359 Charlie Huss 258 3.99
    360 Ivan Ramirez 257 3.89
    361 Cristian Gallardo 257 4.05
    362 Nicholas George 257 4.27
    363 Tristan Swindell 257 4.38
    364 Jacob Tomita 255 4.52
    365 Doug Baxter 254 4.02
    366 Danny Featherstone 253 3.70
    367 Marcus Slusher 253 4.57
    368 Ronald Hoover 252 4.30
    369 Bob Cashion 250 4.72
    370 Kian Evely* 247 3.52
    371 Zander Poole* 246 2.98
    372 Adan Villalobos 246 4.16
    373 Albert Ocampo 245 4.24
    374 Melvin Sharpe 244 4.37
    375 Mal O'Neil* 242 4.33
    376 Nate Hurst 242 4.40
    377 Albert Sanchez 241 3.64
    378 Bryan Leung 241 4.81
    379 Dusty Martin 240 4.22
    380 Melvin Saner 240 4.75
    381 Freddie Almy 239 3.40
    382 George Tompkins 239 3.51
    383 Lino Barrera 239 3.91
    384 Jerry Brantley* 237 1.86
    385 Don Andrews 237 3.55
    386 Juan Gallegos 236 3.49
    387 Robert Papp 236 4.15
    388 Santiago Jimenez 235 3.44
    389 John Mann 235 3.64
    390 Rodney Adrian 235 3.83
    391 Wes Russell* 235 4.68
    392 Armando Garcia 234 3.79
    393 Tommy Hewes 232 4.53
    394 Kevin Ben 232 4.70
    395 Pat Thompson 229 4.29
    396 Alex Carrillo 229 4.39
    397 Carl Storch 228 4.76
    398 Robert Hallinan 226 4.00
    399 Sergio Alvarez 226 4.36
    400 Leonardo Ahedo 226 4.55


    I would like to pay special homage to #384, Jerry Brantley. He's the only pitcher listed that is also listed in the Top 250 hitter of all time. Give it a couple more seasons and he'll be in the Top 250 for both hitting and pitching. And a guarantee HoF'er once we start that up again.

    Flaming Death #355!!!


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    301 Norm Hardin 314 4.23
    302 Tom Watford* 312 3.50
    303 Santiago Dion 310 2.49
    304 Don Gilmore 310 3.01
    305 Amelio Carpio 310 4.10
    306 James Thai 308 4.58
    307 Jerry Chipps 307 4.31
    308 Artie Rogers* 304 2.95
    309 Luis Costa 304 4.03
    310 Fernando Lozoya 304 4.26
    311 Wilfred Byrd* 304 4.29
    312 Raul Gonzalez 304 4.34
    313 Rhett Greene 304 4.55
    314 Lemuel Davis 303 4.63
    315 Gabriel Perez 302 3.03
    316 Brendan Corrick* 299 4.14
    317 Manny Gonzalez 298 4.54
    318 Rex Griffin 297 3.97
    319 Mo Basnett 297 4.42
    320 Julian Huerta* 296 3.24
    321 Elijah Fowler 293 3.80
    322 Edward Rumsey 293 4.16
    323 Michael Shephard 292 3.71
    324 Ernest Davis 292 4.56
    325 Clive Ellacott* 291 3.41
    326 Joel Grasso 291 4.21
    327 John Schuster 286 4.46
    328 Claye Powers 285 4.50
    329 Randy Ruiz 283 3.34
    330 Jarrod Gibson 282 3.47
    331 Oliver Taff 279 3.98
    332 Joe Oneal 278 3.90
    333 Jayson Nelson 278 4.03
    334 Luis Sanchez 278 4.26
    335 Mario Gomez 278 4.38
    336 Hector Ortega 276 4.23
    337 Manuel Yaquet 276 4.47
    338 Son Kerr 275 3.66
    339 Doug Taylor* 275 4.33
    340 Charles Sumlin 275 4.74
    341 Garret Flynn 272 4.07
    342 Joel Decarlo 272 4.14
    343 Marlon Morris* 270 2.79
    344 Lucas Narvaez 269 4.12
    345 Teo Higa 268 4.34
    346 Michael Ross 268 4.42
    347 Steven Andujar 267 4.37
    348 Robert Robin 267 4.45
    349 Pat O'Brian 266 4.19
    350 Pierre Moline 264 4.24

    Of the listed group, Tom Watford at #302 has the most upside at only 25 years of age and off his 4th solid season in a row. My old favorite Mo Basnett is on the list at #319, while Joel Grasso checks in at #326. Jerry Chipps and his 4 good seasons was good enough to be #307.


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    251 Ronald Bsanit 391 4.17
    252 Rocky Kelly 389 3.60
    253 Charles Denton 387 4.20
    254 Keith Kelley 386 4.40
    255 Miyohiko Tomomi 384 3.81
    256 Philip Tillett 383 4.43
    257 Rudolph Mccracken 380 3.93
    258 Travis Mcadory 373 3.44
    259 Jarred Mullinax 373 4.32
    260 Jeff Dibella 367 2.53
    261 R.J. Marks* 367 2.54
    262 Kelvin Caldera 366 3.85
    263 Jonathan Elder 365 3.39
    264 Garrek Adams* 365 3.81
    265 Ovidio Rosario 358 4.12
    266 Todd Snead 354 2.82
    267 Ruben Vasquez 350 4.18
    268 Ciaran MacBrayne 349 2.39
    269 Dusty Valdes 349 4.00
    270 John Versace 349 4.48
    271 Armando Diaz 348 3.09
    272 Tyrone Files 347 3.08
    273 Lyle Rio 347 3.38
    274 Clyde Tilly 344 3.57
    275 Albert Morales 342 4.02
    276 Pete Cooper 342 4.21
    277 Christian Conley 340 3.71
    278 Dax Wilcox 340 4.15
    279 Kevin Juhl 339 3.29
    280 James Pitzer 339 4.10
    281 Kevin Turner 336 4.18
    282 Aaron Wright 334 3.32
    283 Mario Valdez 332 3.70
    284 Eugene McManis 331 2.99
    285 Lyle Colquitt 331 4.74
    286 Pat Genge 330 4.10
    287 Carl Curlee 330 4.10
    288 Carlos Mayorga* 328 3.65
    289 Len Elliott 328 4.16
    290 Eugene Goodwin 328 4.32
    291 Daniel Pegues 325 3.88
    292 Chet Price 325 4.41
    293 Ethan Lochhead 323 4.43
    294 Joseph Erickson 322 2.90
    295 James Branan 318 3.49
    296 Kenneth Pearsall 317 3.22
    297 Augustus Gerace 317 4.29
    298 Ray Dietrick 315 2.98
    299 Lucius Johnston 315 3.99
    300 Max MacBradden 315 4.21


    The final group of the honorable mentions has quite a few standouts, not least being Hall of Fame closer Ray Dietrick at #298. One ahead of him is early days standout Augustus Gerace. Carl Curlee at #287, and the only pitcher to win PWS/VORP in a season who didn't make it in the Top 250. That would be Todd Snead, who lead PWS the very first FOBL season in 2001. He clocked in at #266. Jeff Dibella and Travis McAdory, a couple of early Cuervo specialists, just missed the countdown at #260 and #258, respectively.

    And finishing in the Top Honorable mention slot, 1 short of making the countdown, is Richmond/Seminole/Cap City/Des Moines/Columbus starter Ronald Bsanit, who won 165 games and had a lifetime ERA of 4.17. So close, but no mug shot in the Top 250.

    Speaking of Top 250, we shall begin that shortly. Same template as last time, as I'll list them in groups of 5 per post, and 50 per thread. These are all taken after the 2056 season stats.


    'Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall down a manhole and die." - Mel Brooks

    "Prophet Harold Camping who predicted the end of the world has died. That's kinda sad but its not the end of the world" -
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    Jeff Dibella and Travis McAdory, a couple of early Cuervo specialists, just missed the countdown at #260 and #258, respectively.
    Dibella was a part of those stellar Atlantic City pens. Al had some really great relievers long before I employed my antics.

    Travis McAdory could have been a fantastic starter, if he didn't get cut down by the injury dev buzzsaw. His decline saddened me greatly, as he could have been the best LAS pitcher ever.


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    More Confeds than I expected to see in the honorable mentions.
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