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    Default FOBL's Greatest Pitchers - Coming Soon!

    Stay tuned. Cue the Star Wars theme music.


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    O yeah!!! I think i may have a top 10-20 guy on that list

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    KNUCKLES!
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    Except I'm not sure I'll have anyone on this one...
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    For me it starts with 3 guys I inherited from PT: 1. Douglas Morehead, 2. Joel Perrotta, and 3. Fred Bush. Some of those guys I managed with the Portland Moniker and they never donned the Snowbird Red, White and Grey. Then Subby stole Colin Oldham from me, my first lesson on the value of a minsal contract. After that my favorite pitcher is Wisconsin's greatest home grown pitching talent Dominic Mota who ironically was poached by PT upon his return.
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    holy shit

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    PT's rotation was crazy back then. Absolutely nuts.


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    God, I had forgotten how bleak out pitching history was. Only three pitchers have more than 90 wins as a Confed; two of them have losing records as Confeds (Gareth Bakewell at 174-182 and Bryan Leung at 161-170), and one is all of 15 whole stinking games over .500 (Kikuichirou Thoki at 172-157). Our two (arguably) most "successful" pitchers have been a two and a half year rental (James Mazon), and the 25-year old on our current roster (Carlos Mayorga).

    Ye gods, as much effort as I put into pitching, I certainly have sucked at handling and retaining them.
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    It will be interesting how my recent antics might play into this list, if at all. And despite a GM style which has skewed toward pitching, I'm not sure we're going to have anyone very high on this list. Looking at the list of HoF pitchers, I only see two that wore a Lightning uni at any point in their careers. (Naming them would be a good quick trivia question.)


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    Still beat me - Richmond's had one pitching HoFer play for us, for a whole one season. We sold out for the playoffs in 2018 and brought in a Soooooooopercloser. At least we made the playoffs that year.
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    OK, what I'm doing right now...

    I'm using Pitching VORP as the main statistic in the modern era (2026-present). Same rules as the hitters: I rank the Top 100, finishing first gets you 100 points, second gets you 99 points, etc. All the way down to 1 point for finishing in 100th place.

    The early era was much more difficult to do, at least at first. There wasn't a good statistic that determined the overall rankings. Statslab didn't have VORP pre-2026. They did have pitching WAR, but after dissecting it, I've come to the conclusion that it sucked. Weird measurements were taken and guys with 5 ERA's were finishing higher than players that were in the Platinum Pitcher running. I couldn't in good conscience use it. So I scoured around trying to find SOMETHING that will work. And I found it...

    in the old Fake Baseball Reference archives.

    Remember those things? There's a stat called PWS or Pitching Win Shares that looks like it makes good sense. It gives more value to starters than relievers, although relievers were well represented. Super Closers are ranked well. The only issue with PWS is that there is no overall summary per season, only by team per season. Soooooo.... I'm cutting and pasting the pitching stats of all 36 teams (there were 36 back then) into one spreadsheet for every seasons, sorting and adding up the duplicates (lots of good pitchers traded in mid-season and the PWS summary only has the individual team), then sorting again to the Top 100, then plugging into the above formula. Do that 25 times and I'm done. It works well, but it's TEDIOUS. Part of what's keeping me going is I'm tallying the overall scores and adding to it with each season I complete, which is kinda fun. So I already know who the #1 pitcher is from 2019-2056. But will it change when I add 2018? 2017? And so on.

    One other thing I did. Because pitching dominance really has focused on a small handful of players, unlike hitting dominance, I awarded an extra 20 bonus points for each player that wins VORP or PWS in a given season. That seems to give more balance to dominating pitchers over a shorter period of time, boosting their overall ranking. Call it the Sandy Koufax coefficient. 3 players benefitted highly from this bonus.

    To this point the players you think are at the top are at the top. But in what order? Will be fun to count them down again.


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    Don't worry, Rope. Your lists are always inFALLERable.
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    I finished! I finished! I've got the list. 1341 pitchers scored at least 1 point in the rankings. I'll do it the same way I did the hitters, listing #500-#251 as Honorable Mentions, then counting down from #250 to #1. Some cool data. Looking forward to starting, although time might prevent me from doing it at the pace I was doing the hitting rankings. I could also wait until the 2056 season is done and include that. Thoughts?


    'Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall down a manhole and die." - Mel Brooks

    "Prophet Harold Camping who predicted the end of the world has died. That's kinda sad but its not the end of the world" -
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