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    Default "Encouraging" Retirement

    Do we want to have any rules about this, or are we still cool with banishing guys to the rookie league (sometimes with position changes) to get them to jump ship?


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    I'm cool with it.

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    how would that work? If we forced a guy to retire would we be off the salary hook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draft Dodger View Post
    how would that work? If we forced a guy to retire would we be off the salary hook?
    Yeah. The play is to take a guy who is coppaging and has years beyond the current one, switch his position (batter <-> pitcher), then stuff him in R-ball (used to be A-ball, but hey, no limits now). If he retires you're off the hook for the final contract year(s).


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    This is a long held FOBL tradition - not interested in getting rid of it.
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    Is the proposed Amendment to remove the encouragement of players retiring? How often do those techniques work, I'm curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenrope View Post
    Is the proposed Amendment to remove the encouragement of players retiring? How often do those techniques work, I'm curious.
    Well, no amendment yet. And honestly I'm not sure if we'd really want to go to the trouble of having to check another rule, even if it is as simple as "no player on a FA contract can be placed below AAA." But it's an age-old tactic that does sometimes work - Doc pointed out that he did it to Pat Ritchie in asking me to regenerate his html as a CL to get his pitching stats back (which I will do - he's actually back at CL in-game and viewing in external browser -> copying file to server should work). Should save Doc 2.2M in salary next year.

    Not to knock Doc - Subby has probably done this to dozens of guys. And I'm not sure it's guaranteed to work, and really only makes sense in the 2nd year of a 3 year deal (the assumption is that a hit to a just-signed player won't be catastrophic THAT year, and if the player is already in the last year of the contract it doesn't save anything. That and the dearth of longer contracts.) Just measuring the collective taste for the tactic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cuervo72 View Post
    Well, no amendment yet. And honestly I'm not sure if we'd really want to go to the trouble of having to check another rule, even if it is as simple as "no player on a FA contract can be placed below AAA." But it's an age-old tactic that does sometimes work - Doc pointed out that he did it to Pat Ritchie in asking me to regenerate his html as a CL to get his pitching stats back (which I will do - he's actually back at CL in-game and viewing in external browser -> copying file to server should work). Should save Doc 2.2M in salary next year.

    Not to knock Doc - Subby has probably done this to dozens of guys. And I'm not sure it's guaranteed to work, and really only makes sense in the 2nd year of a 3 year deal (the assumption is that a hit to a just-signed player won't be catastrophic THAT year, and if the player is already in the last year of the contract it doesn't save anything. That and the dearth of longer contracts.) Just measuring the collective taste for the tactic.

    It can be a tactic when attempting to sign a FA. A 37 yo who still has his ratings should sign for just a year, and does in some cases. If people are trying to sign him to 3 year deals, then after year 1 uses this tactic and he retires, I wouldn't want to keep doing it if it always works. But if it's hit-or-miss and it's part of the gamble, then I don't mind keeping this practice legal.


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    Yeah, there's definitely some risk involved in signing older guys, but this can mitigate that some.

    My guess is that if you position switch guys it's going to have a much better chance of working. Ritchie might have hung around as a 6/9/4 CL (see: Raul Jimenez). As a 2/1/2 catcher, a lot easier to hang 'em up.


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    The only part about it I don't like is the position switch fucking up the player HTML page.

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    Which isn't a huge problem if you're alerted to it (which Doc was conscientious enough to do).

    And at least this isn't like FOF where position changes completely bork the HoF process.


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    I would encourage everyone to encourage older players to retire because it might encourage a few more owner RFA bids on older players.... which would be encouraging.

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    Am I the only one NOT doing this?
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    I wasn't doing it either, Cubs. Never occurred to me.


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    I think I've typically been too cautious with FA bids to do that (so by Buddy's reckoning...maybe I should). Stinger was one case where I did have to eat a year of salary, but it was only on his final year so the tactic wouldn't have benefited me.


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    It's not like these actions (placing old guy in A or R ball) always result in retirements anyway.

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    FTR - I haven't done this in a long time nor that frequently.
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    This is only the 2nd time I've ever done this.
    And it was with future HOF pitchers in both cases. (remember Mota? Did he make the HOF?)

    Sometimes these old-ass pitchers like to live their fantasy of being a professional-league catcher.
    My rookie league affiliate is a baseball player Fantasy Island, if you will.


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    The changing position thing is bullshit but I don't care enough to make a rule.
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