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    Artie Oliver

    139-110, 169 saves, 3.27 ERA

    Aside from a couple aborted seasons spent as a starter, and a handful of seasons where Oliver was in the closer role, "Trapper" spent the majority of his exceptionally long career in his true calling of innings eating reliever. From 2030 through 2047, Oliver was a monster reliever for his only team, the Las Vegas Lightning (again, with the exception of a couple years starting which did not go well). At age 38, Oliver was able to contribute to Vegas's only Solecismic Series crown with 8.1 postseason innings allowing only 1 run. Oliver currently stands at 7th in FOBL history in games pitched.


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    By my unofficial tally:

    1st Team All-FOBL: 2031, 2040


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    Well, I'll be voting for him (yay, bias!). I did certainly harm his stats by starting him (not just his full-time years, but also 2038 where his 3 early season starts were absolutely disastrous). Even with that, a lifetime ERA+ of 143, which isn't bad. Not in the league of other RP in the Hall though, I'm afraid (bar set very high there).


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    Oliver's such a weird case, that I feel the need to break out his seasons.

    The "edge" seasons (2029, 2048, 2049): The beginning and end of his career, we won't really look at these.
    The starter seasons (2035, 2037, 2042): The seasons where he spent all or a significant portion starting. Not going to count these against him, as they weren't a great idea (though he was solid in the role in 2037).

    That leaves 15 seasons where he was entirely (or almost entirely) a reliever. My arbitrary rankings...

    Elite: 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2040, 2043
    Strong: 2030, 2041, 2046
    Meh: 2036, 2038, 2039, 2044, 2045, 2047

    That's really not bad at all. Most of his "meh" seasons came well after his prime, though taken as a whole the latter part of the 30s is not kind to his case. The fact that he was providing value through his age 39 season is very impressive in this version of OOTP.

    I really need to compare him to his contemporary relievers to know what to do with him, and I wasn't around for that. Who were the best relievers of the 30s? I don't hold it against them that we've whiffed on better relievers in the past (ENO), but I do want to know what we did with his colleagues.


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    Yeah, RP from the era is probably a pretty decent question. Just trying to grab some names from the all-time appearances list:

    Rank Player G YEAR
    7 Artie Oliver 1317 2029-2049
    8 Clinton McAnulty Jr. 1292 2017-2037
    10 Daniel Savino* 1247 2020-2040
    17 Kevin Juhl 1189 2026-2042
    34 Cristian Gallardo# 1081 2038-2049
    45 Kevin Theisen 1050 2019-2037
    50 George Mosley 1035 2018-2037
    52 Cory Richmond 1019 2031-2047
    57 Alfonzo Echeandia 1005 2022-2039
    58 Don Gilmore# 1000 2035-2049
    64 Pat Considine 988 2030-2045
    67 Gabriel Perez# 980 2036-2049
    71 Santiago Jimenez# 968 2030-2049
    81 Alvaro Delvalle 948 2022-2038
    96 Don Baker# 893 2036-2049
    100 Lawrence Dockery 885 2023-2037

    I eliminated basically everyone who didn't have more than a 5-year overlap. McAnulty and Savino were considerably older; McAnulty was pretty average. Savino was spectacular. Probably most comparable from 30-34, before I started messing with Oliver as a SP. Even then, Savino was always more of a traditional closer, where Oliver was not.

    Juhl and Gilmore of course were teammates of his - and their presence gave me the flexibility to put Oliver in the rotation. I don't know about the rest of the list - I'd have to check them all out.

    The last real RP argument I had was with Ron over the merits of Ray Dietrick vs Jorge Davila. Dietrick - third on the all-time saves list - made it, Davila didn't. I probably similarly damaged Davila's chances by using him more as an innings-eater than a closer (gave Dietrick the leg up over Gerald Ringler probably too...though yes, Dietrick played in a silly hitters park).

    A similar modern argument might be Oliver vs Gabriel Perez. (his WIC years were...unfortunate. )

    ETA: reviewing the list...Santiago Jimenez actually has a really similar career arc - and numbers - to Oliver.
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    You know me, I love the innings eater. Davila's someone I would have looked very hard at back in the day for that reason.

    Savino's on a whole other level, I think, in the no-brainer section of the HOF.

    Juhl is an interesting point of comparison, in a generally similar career path minus the starting years. Considine is another guy who is a good point of comparison. In the still active department, Stretch Parsons (another guy who started to his detriment). And Perez. Gilmore is another one who's had a strangely up and down career, with some high highs and low lows.


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