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    "No team may have more than $20M in cash at any time between when end-of-year finances are calculated and the first sim of the following season."
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    I voted no because I think there are ways to take advantage of this. I think a team could consistently be near the cash cap and make enough money during the season then use it to always be competitive. Cash cap throughout the year eliminates this advantage. This is just based on the economy being the same, ie. $6 mil for a first rounder, $12-14 mil for a good player, $16-18 mil for an elite pitcher.

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    As I understand it, cash totals are kept track of during the seaon in-game, yes? If I trade 1M to Morg this week, those cash totals are updated by whoever processes the trades for the next sim?

    If so, I don't really feel like it's any extra work for the person entering the trades to not process said trade if it takes someone over 20M. If we weren't keeping track during the season, I can see it, but as it stands, no, I don't.


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    So a team with say, $15 million spends a lot in FA. They're due to lose about $10 million by the end of the season.

    They would like to sell a 1st rounder during the season to help offset that big loss. They are not allowed to sell that pick for any more than $5 million, even though they will finish the season at a number way under the cap.


    Can somebody please explain how that is good for the league? Maybe I'm not getting something here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeRulesMAB View Post
    If so, I don't really feel like it's any extra work for the person entering the trades to not process said trade if it takes someone over 20M. If we weren't keeping track during the season, I can see it, but as it stands, no, I don't.
    It's a lot of extra clicks. I would have to check each team's cash balance prior to a trade. I'm not interested in doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc P View Post
    So a team with say, $15 million spends a lot in FA. They're due to lose about $10 million by the end of the season.

    They would like to sell a 1st rounder during the season to help offset that big loss. They are not allowed to sell that pick for any more than $5 million, even though they will finish the season at a number way under the cap..
    Why would you need to sell the pick during the season though? If you lose 10 mil, you're still 5 mil in the black. You'd wait until after the season to sell it. What I'm looking at is the opposite. Someone who is near their salary floor but is near the cash cap. If they're a decently built team, they'll make money. If that were me and my revenue outlook shows me making 5 mil I'd buy a pick at 6 mil a piece or enough to get me under the cash cap before the offseason. If I'm just under the cash cap and I've gained an extra first rounder and maybe more, I would do that every year. So I'd always be at the cash cap and always have extra picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolvie109 View Post
    What I'm looking at is the opposite. Someone who is near their salary floor but is near the cash cap. If they're a decently built team, they'll make money. If that were me and my revenue outlook shows me making 5 mil I'd buy a pick at 6 mil a piece or enough to get me under the cash cap before the offseason. If I'm just under the cash cap and I've gained an extra first rounder and maybe more, I would do that every year. So I'd always be at the cash cap and always have extra picks.
    That's fine, but Cuervo's proposal wouldn't affect your hypothetical team. The goal of your hypothetical team (finishing near the cash cap and pre-spending its profits), and it's method of achieving that goal, would be exactly the same whether or not Cuervo's proposal passes.
    The need to pre-spend would be there either way, because you still would need to end the season at or below the cash cap.


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    This is true but by having the extra monies in your coffers it makes it a lot easier to prolong your run to without having to spend big money on your FAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeRulesMAB View Post
    As I understand it, cash totals are kept track of during the seaon in-game, yes? If I trade 1M to Morg this week, those cash totals are updated by whoever processes the trades for the next sim?

    If so, I don't really feel like it's any extra work for the person entering the trades to not process said trade if it takes someone over 20M. If we weren't keeping track during the season, I can see it, but as it stands, no, I don't.
    It actually could be some work if the simmer goes to make the trade, realizes the cash puts the owner over (and he does have to mentally check this, then you have to explain that the deal is no good and has to be reworked/etc.

    When I do finances at the end of the year, I take the existing cash, see what the profit is, add in playoff bonuses then work with that figure.

    So take Utica, or at least a ballpark of them. Say they came in with 18M. They make 3M in the regular season, then 3M more in the post-season. This puts them at 24M. I dock them 4M (there is actually a line that says $adj[15] = -4000000) and put that 4M in an overage pool along with all the other overages. I then divvy up the overage pool for all teams not at the cap, and set their $adj values to that value.

    If UTI would have traded prospects for 2M during the season without divesting it elsewhere, that wouldn't have mattered as far as I'm concerned. That 2M would have carried right through -- it just would have lead to a bigger overage and an adjustment of -6M.

    Where it makes a difference is with someone like Buddy and his cheapo deals. If he's at 20M, he really can't run those. It's cases like that or like MBJ who might have had someone like Whaley who was expendable but couldn't be sold for anything other than a pick, which might not have worked out for all trade partners.


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    As I recall, the main purpose of the cash cap was to prevent hoarding of cash that was driving down FA salaries, not to prevent teams from having long runs of success.
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    Ah, I gotcha, this is me not knowing the new OOTP. Back when I was doing trades, there was no trading cash in the game, we had to manually adjust the totals with each cash trade. I presume now that you can actually trade cash without worrying about the totals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsFan915 View Post
    I agree with the distinguished Morgadiddle. The easier we make the rules to understand, the less likely it is that we have someone end up breaking them, accidentally or not.
    lolz, just noticed Cubs went from a No to a Yes.

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    Cubs decided he is all in favor of making things easier to process. If we only check it in the offseason, less work on the PTB.
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