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    Hmmmmm..... what I intend to accomplish.

    Number of times that the fourth place team won a playoff series in the current playoff format (6 seasons): 19
    Number of times that the fourth place team could win the SS in a 3 team per division playoff format (the next 100 seasons): 0.
    Number of times that the seventh-eighth place team could win the SS in a 6 team per conference playoff format (the next 100 seasons): 0

    That's what I want to accomplish.
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    Well, 4 teams per league instead of 8 does the same thing without the bye problem.

    FWIW, why not consider doing away divisions altogether, and take the top four in each league?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clintl View Post
    FWIW, why not consider doing away divisions altogether, and take the top four in each league?
    I actually like the more intimate hate for in-division teams. It lets me concentrate my haterade on NRW rather than, say, BOS.

    Quote Originally Posted by clint from earlier
    If we're going to stick with 8 playoff teams, here's a change I would support. Reduce the automatic bids for each division to 1 or 2, and let the rest of the playoff teams be determined by record.
    I kind of like that.

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    For a further breakdown, I present the following:

    Number of times the 4th place team won the first round of the playoffs: 7
    Number of times the 4th place team won the second round of the playoffs: 6
    Number of times the 4th place team won the semi-finals: 3
    Number of times the 4th place team won the SS: 3

    The most glaring injustice I could find was Portland's 74-88 team sweeping the 108 win Mauston Mad Cows in 2037. This is not a knock at all on PT or his team, just the fact that a 108 win team has to even get by a 74 win team in a playoff just seems wrong. I like to think the regular season should carry more weight than this.


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    Through 40 years of a 100-year sim:


    SEEDS THAT WON TITLES
    1 (1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1943, 1945, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951)
    2 (2011)
    3 (1919, 1930, 1931, 1946)
    4 (1913, 1942)
    5 (1941, 1944)
    6 (1912, 1935, 1936, 1947, 1952)



    TOP SEEDS TO ADVANCE TO LCS

    1912
    1914 (x2)
    1915 (x3)
    1916
    1917 (x4)
    1918 (x4)
    1920 (x4)
    1921 (x2)
    1922 (x3)
    1923 (x3)
    1924 (x2)
    1925 (x4)
    1926 (x2)
    1927 (x3)
    1928 (x3)
    1929
    1930 (x3)
    1931
    1932 (x2)
    1933 (x3)
    1934 (x4)
    1935 (x2)
    1936 (x2)
    1937 (x2)
    1938 (x3)
    1939 (x2)
    1940 (x2)
    1941 (x3)
    1943 (x4)
    1945 (x2)
    1946 (x2)
    1947 (x2)
    1948 (x2)
    1949 (x3)
    1950 (x3)
    1951 (x4)
    1952 (x2)
    I'll post the rest of the data from this one later and will run another 100-year sim when I get to my house, but I have to stop reporting for now.

    The playoff setup let two division champs in and then gave wild cards to the 4 next best teams in each league. Wild Cards are checked to be seeded lowest, playoff bracket reseeds after each round and it's setup in a bracket regardless of division.

    I'll post more findings later, but it seems that the playoff code was fixed and there's no rust on playoff teams that sit out and have byes. Also sought an official ruling from Markus on the matter, as he'd obviously know or some proxy of his.
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    Thank you, DC!

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    Thanks dc - looks like the #2 seed is the one to avoid.

    Seriously, the #1 seeds just dominated like a mofo. Weird that the #6s won a bunch of titles but not the #2s, but still. Not bad.

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    I like 6 teams with a very short round 1.

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    My ideal format:

    Round 1
    Division Champ - Bye
    Division 2 vs Division 3 in a 3 game series with no off days. (I think 1 game is too short and the champ is already getting a bye)

    Division Championship Round
    Division Champ vs winner of 2/3 series in a 7 game series

    League Championship Round
    7 game series

    Solecismic Series
    7 game series (OK, I'd really like a 9 game series here)

    I really like our divisional pods that we've gotten with our current playoff format, helps build rivalries. This format keeps that format, eliminates the 4 seeds, rewards the division champ and gives us a quick format in round 1 to avoid "rust".

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    The McIntyre System, as used by Australian Rules Football:

    1 A 1st Elimination Final Rank 4 v Rank 5

    B 2nd Elimination Final Rank 3 v Rank 6

    C Qualifying Final Rank 1 v Rank 2
    2 D 1st Semi Final Loser C v Lower ranked winner from A, B

    E 2nd Semi Final Winner C v Higher ranked winner from A, B
    3 F Preliminary Final Loser E v Winner D
    4 G Grand Final Winner E v Winner F

    It allows top seeds to lose and still reach the finals, heavily weighted to have a playoffs but still have 1 and 2 in the final a lot.

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    Good luck programming THAT into OOTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by critch View Post
    The McIntyre System, as used by Australian Rules Football:

    1 A 1st Elimination Final Rank 4 v Rank 5

    B 2nd Elimination Final Rank 3 v Rank 6

    C Qualifying Final Rank 1 v Rank 2
    2 D 1st Semi Final Loser C v Lower ranked winner from A, B

    E 2nd Semi Final Winner C v Higher ranked winner from A, B
    3 F Preliminary Final Loser E v Winner D
    4 G Grand Final Winner E v Winner F

    It allows top seeds to lose and still reach the finals, heavily weighted to have a playoffs but still have 1 and 2 in the final a lot.
    What Cubs said. It took nearly six years to get Markus to implement the customized playoffs that someone else wrote for him. I can't imagine how long this would take him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRO View Post
    My ideal format:

    Round 1
    Division Champ - Bye
    Division 2 vs Division 3 in a 3 game series with no off days. (I think 1 game is too short and the champ is already getting a bye)

    Division Championship Round
    Division Champ vs winner of 2/3 series in a 7 game series

    League Championship Round
    7 game series

    Solecismic Series
    7 game series (OK, I'd really like a 9 game series here)

    I really like our divisional pods that we've gotten with our current playoff format, helps build rivalries. This format keeps that format, eliminates the 4 seeds, rewards the division champ and gives us a quick format in round 1 to avoid "rust".
    If you want a series with no off-days, it'll need to be scheduled by hand. Can be done in any series, just...the game won't do it automatically and you can't import a playoff schedule. Needs to be done by hand if you want to alter the off-days, etc.

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    1 (1955, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1964, 1967, 1968, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2007, 2008)
    2 (1970, 1984, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2009, 2011)
    3 (1954, 1957, 1969, 1972, 1981, 1983, 1987, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1996, 2010)
    4 (1956, 1965, 1971)
    5 (1958, 1962, 1963, 2003)
    6 (1953, 1966, 1977, 1985, 2006)

    *1977's #6 was the lowest record I'd ever seen at 82-80.
    1990's #3 seed was a 102-win team that happened to finish 2nd. A lot of 3 seeds were like that...in retrospect.

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    This is what I needed to see. I'm much less concerned about the byes now.
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    So do I have your vote, or do you require a crisp $1 bill delivered via letter carrier?

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    I would vote for it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    So do I have your vote, or do you require a crisp $1 bill delivered via letter carrier?
    u ass

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    Does OOTP support NHL/NBA style setups? 'Cause that might be cool ... balanced (or at least more balanced than it is now) intra-league schedule (with limited inter-league play), then top 8 teams from both leagues get in regardless of division. 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5, and so on.
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    I'm in favor of the divisions meaning something, personally.

    Now, what I'd like is to see the playoffs go between divisions. Have the 1st place team in the Fresca play the 4th place team in the ICS, 2nd place in the DEFCON and 3rd in the Skates, and so on, leaving the possibility that DAV and POR could meet in the GLCS. Then, reseed each round by higher record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simms View Post
    Does OOTP support NHL/NBA style setups? 'Cause that might be cool ... balanced (or at least more balanced than it is now) intra-league schedule (with limited inter-league play), then top 8 teams from both leagues get in regardless of division. 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5, and so on.
    Yes it does but like Cubs said, I'm also in favor of meaningful divisions, otherwise you may as well just have 2 leagues and no divisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by CubsFan915 View Post
    Now, what I'd like is to see the playoffs go between divisions. Have the 1st place team in the Fresca play the 4th place team in the ICS, 2nd place in the DEFCON and 3rd in the Skates, and so on, leaving the possibility that DAV and POR could meet in the GLCS. Then, reseed each round by higher record.
    Pretty sure this is possible as well. This is sort of how FIFA sets up their knockout phase after the group stage. For me though, this would take away from the VL/GL rivalry.

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    FWIW, I have officially retired from schedule making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simms View Post
    Does OOTP support NHL/NBA style setups? 'Cause that might be cool ... balanced (or at least more balanced than it is now) intra-league schedule (with limited inter-league play), then top 8 teams from both leagues get in regardless of division. 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5, and so on.
    This was how I did the post-season in my test sim fwiw.

    Quote Originally Posted by CubsFan915 View Post
    I'm in favor of the divisions meaning something, personally.

    Now, what I'd like is to see the playoffs go between divisions. Have the 1st place team in the Fresca play the 4th place team in the ICS, 2nd place in the DEFCON and 3rd in the Skates, and so on, leaving the possibility that DAV and POR could meet in the GLCS. Then, reseed each round by higher record.
    This can be setup, too.
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    I like the idea of keeping the first two rounds inside the respective divisions, personally.


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